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bullies4me
 Number of posts: 18 Location: West Texas-Southern New Mexico Registration date: 2008-07-24
 | Subject: And None Dare Call It Treason Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:45 pm | |
| And None Dare Call It Treason
Who is Randy Scheunemann?
He is the principal foreign policy adviser to John McCain and potential successor to Henry Kissinger and Zbigniew Brzezinski as national security adviser to the president of the United States.
But Randy Scheunemann has another identity, another role.
He is a dual loyalist, a foreign agent whose assignment is to get America committed to spilling the blood of her sons for client regimes who have made this moral mercenary a rich man.
From January 2007 to March 2008, the McCain campaign paid Scheunemann $70,000 -- pocket change compared to the $290,000 his Orion Strategies banked in those same 15 months from the Georgian regime of Mikheil Saakashvili.
What were Mikheil's marching orders to Tbilisi's man in Washington? Get Georgia a NATO war guarantee. Get America committed to fight Russia, if necessary, on behalf of Georgia.
Scheunemann came close to succeeding.
Had he done so, U.S. soldiers and Marines from Idaho and West Virginia would be killing Russians in the Caucasus, and dying to protect Scheunemann's client, who launched this idiotic war the night of Aug. 7. That people like Scheunemann hire themselves out to put American lives on the line for their clients is a classic corruption of American democracy.
U.S. backing for his campaign to retrieve his lost provinces is what Saakashvili paid Scheunemann to produce. But why should Americans fight Russians to force 70,000 South Ossetians back into the custody of a regime they detest? Why not let the South Ossetians decide their own future in free elections?
Not only is the folly of the Bush interventionist policy on display in the Caucasus, so, too, is its manifest incoherence.....
.......Now Scheunemann is the neocon agent in place in McCain's camp.
The neocons got their war with Iraq. They are pushing for war on Iran. And they are now baiting the Russian Bear.
Is this what McCain has on offer? Endless war?
Why would McCain seek foreign policy counsel from the same discredited crowd that has all but destroyed the presidency of George Bush?
"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence ... a free people ought to be constantly awake," Washington warned in his Farewell Address. Our Founding Father was warning against the Randy Scheunemanns among us, agents hired by foreign powers to deceive Americans into fighting their wars. And none dare call it treason.
LINKI am going to get a little kiddie sand bucket, paint it yellow....and label it BARF.
It's going to the polls with me in November.
What a rock and a hard place. We have McCain (Bush III) or a worse fate if Obaaaaama wins.  |
|  | | Ras

 Number of posts: 22 Age: 50 Location: Lexington, KY, USA Registration date: 2008-07-26
 | Subject: Re: And None Dare Call It Treason Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:50 pm | |
| As a "neocon" I resent those remarks! |
|  | | bullies4me
 Number of posts: 18 Location: West Texas-Southern New Mexico Registration date: 2008-07-24
 | |  | | Ras

 Number of posts: 22 Age: 50 Location: Lexington, KY, USA Registration date: 2008-07-26
 | Subject: Re: And None Dare Call It Treason Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:29 pm | |
| Well, when I first heard the term and how it was applied, I thought it described me very well. By that I mean "neocon" as a former liberal turned conservative, while some anti-Semites act like "neocon" is a new name for what they used to call "Jews." A few years ago I wrote an essay about it, entitled "What Is a Neo-Conservative?" http://xenohistorian.faithweb.com/holybook/articles/neocon.html |
|  | | bullies4me
 Number of posts: 18 Location: West Texas-Southern New Mexico Registration date: 2008-07-24
 | Subject: Re: And None Dare Call It Treason Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:22 pm | |
| | Ras wrote: | Well, when I first heard the term and how it was applied, I thought it described me very well. By that I mean "neocon" as a former liberal turned conservative, while some anti-Semites act like "neocon" is a new name for what they used to call "Jews." A few years ago I wrote an essay about it, entitled "What Is a Neo-Conservative?"
[url=http://xenohistorian.faithweb.com/holybook/articles/neocon.html | http://xenohistorian.faithweb.com/holybook/articles/neocon.html[/quote[/url]] I have never heard the term "neo-con" applied to Jews. While it might actually mean a former liberal turned con, I have always seen it as more of a different viewpoint/outlook--a neo-con as opposed to a more traditional paleo-con, which is how I see myself. I have NEVER been a liberal, not even as a teenager in high school! The old conservative values usually mean smaller, non/less intrusive government, limited spending, limited taxation....AND...most of all, a NON-interventionist MYOB outlook. The US should look out for itself, and quit spending billions on other countries in aid or whatever. Bush is the perfect example of what I think of as a neo-con.....an empire-builder who wants to impose US-values/government on other countries, run up the deficit, use OUR military for purposes other than what he should, and spend money like water. Cheney is another good example....a hawk who himself used no less than 5 student deferments to avoid serving...yet he doesn't mind putting our military in harm's way for his own ends. While we should have gone to Afghanistan (and finished that mess up, BTW), I will never see Iraq as anything more than dear ole dad's unfinished business. I am surprised that we haven't gotten involved in the Russia-Georgia mess...and I hope I haven't spoken too soon. The US needs to STAY OUT OF IT....and tend to our own interests...and let the rest of the world take care of itself. *Whew* *Climbs down off of soapbox* |
|  | | Ras

 Number of posts: 22 Age: 50 Location: Lexington, KY, USA Registration date: 2008-07-26
 | Subject: Re: And None Dare Call It Treason Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:18 pm | |
| Sorry I took so long to get back with you. Actually, there isn't as much difference in our viewpoints as you may think. The main one is that I think the military can be used to help others when it is in our interests to do so, and you don't. Otherwise, we're both in favor of stopping illegal immigration and spending less. You have to admit that Bush doesn't act very conservative at all when it comes to domestic spending. Besides what the military needs, he has approved hundreds of billions for Medicare to cover drug prescriptions. The largest agriculture subsidy in history. An education program ("No Child Left Behind") so generous that only Teddy Kennedy isn't satisfied with it. A $286.5 billion highway spending bill in 2005 that was loaded with 6,371 pet projects, like the infamous "Bridge to Nowhere," in a volume so big (1,752 pages) that I doubt anybody ever read the whole thing. When Ronald Reagan vetoed a highway bill like that in 1987, one that earmarked money for only 157 projects, he said, "I haven't seen this much lard since I handed out blue ribbons at the Iowa State Fair." Bush, however, finds it extremely difficult to say no; he didn't veto a bill of any kind until July 2006, when he got one requesting funding for embryonic stem-cell research. Regarding immigration, a few years ago one of the most prominent neo-cons, Victor Davis Hanson, wrote a book on what illegal immigration was doing to his home state, called "Mexifornia." You'd probably agree with most of the points he made against the practice of employing what he called modern-day "helots" or "serfs." Finally, both Bush and McCain are a little too friendly with the environmentalist whackos. If you ask me, I have my doubts about man-made global warming, and even if it is real, we could go a long way towards solving it with two simple actions that won't hurt our lifestyle: put out Darvaza, the 200-foot-wide gas crater that has been burning in Turkmenistan for the past 37 years, and retire the pompous windbag from Delaware, Joe Biden. I don't know if I posted it in our group, but a few months back I made a sound-bite version of what I'd like to see the next president do, or at least promise: 1. Abolish the IRS. 2. Cut spending. 3. Ignore the tree-huggers. 4. Secure the borders. 5. Kill the terrorists. 6. Smack the hippies. Am I correct in assuming that we're in agreement on all of the above, except maybe #5? On the war front, the paleo-con idea that we should wait until an enemy comes to us made sense before World War I, when we had two oceans protecting our shores, but not today. Pearl Harbor showed us that any target within range of an aircraft carrier's planes is fair game. We're especially at risk if the enemy has nuclear weapons, and is eager to use them. I'm not talking about the Russians, because they weren't willing to risk losing Moscow in an attack on Washington, but Iran, which sees the destruction of Israel and the US as a way to bring back the Mahdi, is a different matter. The MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) doctrine got us through the Cold War, but it won't work against someone who is truly mad. The same thing applied to Baathist Iraq; remember how after September 11, 2001, Saddam Hussein was the only head of state who said we got what we deserved? Even traditional enemies like Libya, North Korea and Cuba offered us condolences on that fateful day. That told me we'd have to deal with Iraq someday, as long as Hussein insisted on trying to get nuclear weapons and supported the world's worst terrorists. If the war in Iraq was just about oil, as many liberals like to say, don't you think our troops would have taken it by now? As for Georgia, I'm watching the Caucasus to see what develops. Of course we're not going to go in before Election Day, and it may not be feasible to go in at all, since it looks like the Georgians are too far from us, and too close to Russia. Some say the Russian invasion was retaliation for us supporting the independence of Kosovo. Well, let the record show that I thought it was a mistake for Bush to endorse the Kosovar move, and in recent years I have come to believe that we did the Serbs dirty; after all, they WERE on our side in both World Wars. Oil may be a factor in Georgia, too, because they have the only oil and gas pipeline from Central Asia that doesn't pass through Russia. Finally, the Georgians have pointed out that they helped us in Iraq. Hopefully some form of non-military pressure, like expelling Russia from the G-8 group, will be enough to make Vladimir Putin think twice, before he tries to make any more trouble. *And now back to you.* |
|  | | bullies4me
 Number of posts: 18 Location: West Texas-Southern New Mexico Registration date: 2008-07-24
 | Subject: Re: And None Dare Call It Treason Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:32 am | |
| Am I correct in assuming that we're in agreement on all of the above, except maybe #5?
Mostly, but not entirely, on #5 and #3, which I will attempt to clarify! Kill the SOBs, yes, but the whole thing on terrorists starts within the US. STOP allowing muslime immigration to the US--why in the world did we ever allow it to begin with? What are we doing issuing visas to the likes of the (mostly) Saudis who were responsible for the attacks of 911, with that anniversary just a few days away, going on 7 years?!? Why are we allowing THEM to dictate to US that we should respect THEIR so-called smarmy "religion?" Why does the Patriot Act specifically protect muslimes already in the US? Why do we give a rat's a** about those already here? They won't assimilate, and they will never be true Americans. The more our country splinters as to culture, language and yes--even religion--the more we are headed down the road to our own downfall and ruin as a country. The USA appears to no longer be a melting pot, but rather a hodgepodge of warring multicultural factions of various sorts! Practicing one's culture, customs and language at home is one thing--demanding that it be accounted for within the larger society (voter ballots in multiple languages is a prime example)--is quite another. Why are we attempting to impose US-style democracy on a culture/country that is as foreign to us as we are to them? It makes NO sense whatsoever. We destroy one haven for terrorists, another pops up elsewhere. Iraq is Bush the elder's unfinished business, and the son took it upon himself to finish the job. We needed to be in Afghanistan--to find the SOB that was responsible for 911--but our resources were directed elsewhere after they decided that Afghanistan was stable. That nutjob of a country has never been stable, and probably never will be, without being propped up by US forces for decades to come. But we're stuck in this quagmire, and it's going to be difficult to extricate ourselves. In hindsight, (always 20-20) I see Iraq as a grievous mistake, poor planning for the aftermath...and Afghanistan as where we should have been, and stayed to finish the job. I think that is the reason Bush the elder didn't take out Saddam during Gulf Storm--he was probably all too aware of what it could unleash. I have read that he advised Bush the younger NOT to invade Iraq. But.....it was invaded, and now we have to watch him pass his mess on to someone else. Notice that Bush has stubbornly refused to plan for an ending date, at least publicly. What goes on behind the scenes, we do not know. For what it's worth, getting involved in the Balkans/Serbs/Bosnians mess was another mistake. What were we doing aiding muslimes against Christian Serbs?!? *Climbs down off of terrorist-hating soapbox* Now, onto the tree huggers. There are those who want forests/timberlands untouched and left alone. Well, if left alone, Mother Nature will take care of that as she always has--with fire and its devastating effects. The more man builds within forested areas, the greater the danger of fire destroying what he has built. So, forests need to be managed and thinned out, instead of leaving it entirely to nature. Dead undergrowth needs to be cleared out, and the trees themselves thinned out. On the other hand, formerly forested areas that have been stripped bare--with resulting floods, mudslides, et al...need to be replanted and managed accordingly. There has to be a better way than what is being (or not being) done now. It is a different story out here when it comes to underground water. Those who do not live in desert environments (which I do, and always have, or at least semi-arid dryland) do not understand how precious water is out here. I worry about anything that can contaminate what sources we do have, because the growth out here is incredible. NM has only two million people, but is growing...and water is always a concern. I want development, drilling for oil and growth, but I want all of that done in an intelligent and planned manner. We cannot afford unplanned urban sprawl out here without considering the consequences, and ground water MUST be protected, period. With the new technological advances in development and the oil and gas industry, intelligently planned exploration is possible, but it's going to be difficult over the screaming of the liberals here. In a word, there has to be more balance, rather than one extreme or the other! I have my voter registration card ready to go in November........ |
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